WASHINGTON – Another partisan clash in the House impeachment inquiry is expected Monday as the Judiciary Committee receives a briefing about two reports: one report from three other panels that found President Donald Trump solicited foreign interference in the 2020 election, and another about the constitutional basis for impeachment.
A confrontation is anticipated because the Intelligence Committee will walk lawmakers through the 300-page report on Trump’s conduct in Ukraine.
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‘The facts are clear’ says Nadler, as Republicans denounce disagreement on facts
In his closing remarks, Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler denounced a “pattern of misconduct” that undermined national security and the integrity of elections.
Trump put his own interests ahead of the country’s, he said.
Nadler argued his Republican colleagues offered “no serious scrutiny” of the evidence.
“The facts are clear. The danger to our democracy is clear,” Nadler said.
Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, denounced the “unprecedented hearing” where “staff got into heated debates with each other” in his closing remarks.
“This is ridiculous. We shouldn’t be doing this,” he added.
Collins said the two parties were working off different sets of facts.
“This will be the first impeachment that is partisan on facts that are not agreed to,” he said.
He also thanked the Republican staff members, Steve Castor and Ashley Callan for their work in the inquiry.
Subpoenas rejected by chairman
House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., rejected Monday the Republican request for subpoenas for witnesses such as the anonymous whistleblower who complained about Trump’s call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky. Nadler also rejected a GOP request for testimony from Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., because the whistleblower’s evidence was confirmed by others, “and thus there is no need for Chairman Schiff.”
Five other requests were outside the parameters of the impeachment inquiry and were previously rejected by the Intelligence Committee, Nadler said. He offered to schedule a meeting for the committee to vote on the rejections if Republicans requested, but Democrats outnumber Republicans 24 to 17 on the panel.
Republicans accuse Democratic staff members of partisan leanings
Rep. Greg Steube, R-Fla., the last Republican lawmaker to ask questions, criticized Democratic counsel Barry Berke’s testimony and called him an “unelected New York lawyer” and “a politically biased consultant who has given thousands to Hillary Clinton.”
Republicans have brought up past social media posts and donations from the Democratic counsels during the hearing.
Earlier in the hearing, Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., brought out a printout of one of Goldman’s tweets from August 2018 that was critical of Trump and mentioned the Steele Dossier.
Gaetz asked Goldman if he made political donations and highlighted Burke’s prior donations too.
Swalwell: ‘President Donald Trump knew everything’
Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., used his question time to ask about President Donald Trump’s involvement in the pressure campaign.
Noting that Trump had not turned over any documents requested by Democrats, Swalwell asked Democratic counsel Daniel Goldman a series of questions about Trump’s involvement.
“There’s a reason nobody has said, ‘What did the president know and when did he know it?’” Swalwell quipped.
The reason why, Swalwell said, was that “President Donald Trump knew everything” about the pressure campaign in Ukraine.
Trump calls hearing a ‘disgrace’
President Donald Trump, taking questions at a family and education issues roundtable at the White House, said he “watched a little” of the impeachment hearing, but didn’t like what he saw. “It’s a disgrace, it’s a hoax,” he said.
‘You weren’t elected by anybody’: Gaetz yells at Democratic counsel
Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., a close Trump ally, temporarily disrupted proceedings by shouting at Goldman.
“We want Schiff in that chair not you,” Gaetz shouted, referring to the Intelligence Committee Chairman. “The person that wrote the report should come and present it. You weren’t elected by anybody.”
Nadler admonished Gaetz, telling him he “cannot simply yell out and disrupt the hearing.”
‘You’re just not answering’: Rep. Doug Collins confronts Democratic counsel
Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, confronted Democratic Counsel Daniel Goldman over call records that appeared in the 300-page report on Trump and Ukraine.
The call records seemed to show contact between Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and the White House, the Hill columnist John Solomon, and Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee. The records also revealed calls between Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas and Nunes.
Republicans have called the subpoenas of call records from AT&T illegal and breaches of privacy for members of Congress and journalists.
“We only did it to the subjects involved in the investigation,” which Goldman described as a “standard practice.”
Goldman declined to comment on how the committee decided to identify which numbers belonged to which person in the Trump-Ukraine report.
“We’re done,” Collins said in response. “You know who it is – you’re just not answering”
Collins also took aim at the unusual format of the hearing, in which committee staff members served as witnesses.
“Mr. Goldman, you’re a great attorney, but you’re not Adam Schiff and you don’t wear a pin,” Collins quipped.
Under questioning, Republican counsel Steve Castor said there had been six subpoenas for call records including Giuliani’s records, Giuliani associate Igor Fruman’s records, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland’s records, a specific unnamed number’s records, and subscriber information on John Solomon.
Nadler continues to bang the gavel at Republicans
The Democratic counsel, Barry Berke, rankled Republicans by questioning GOP counsel Stephen Castor about the minority report from the Intelligence Committee.
At one point, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., said Berke was badgering Castor. Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., didn’t recognize the point of order.
“The committee is not in order and the chairman is not in order,” Sensenbrenner said. “We have to have some decorum in here.”
Nadler said the questioning was allowed.
“Sharp cross-examination of a witness is not badgering a witness,” Nadler said.
More exchanges between the lawmakers prompted Nadler to repeatedly bang his gavel for silence.
“Bang the gavel harder – still doesn’t make it right,” said Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, the top Republican on the panel.
Democratic lawyer moves from witness table to counsel chair
Another flashpoint came after Democratic and Republican presentations on what the Intelligence Committee found in the impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump.
At that point, Democratic counsel Barry Berke had moved from the witness table to the counsel chair at the elbow of Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y.
Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, challenged having Berke both testify and then serve as counsel questioning the Intelligence staffers.
“You don’t get to be a witness and a judge in the same case,” Gohmert said.
Nadler dismissed his point.
“That’s not a point of order,” Nadler said.
Gohmert later interrupted Berke’s questioning of Republican counsel Stephen Castor.
“This is wrong,” Gohmert said.
“How much money do you have to give to get to do that?”
“The gentleman will not cast aspersions,” Nadler said.
Several Republicans, who opposed and have complained about the committee having lawyers ask questions rather than lawmakers, asked for attention.
“It is unprecedented to have a person come and sit and then return to the bench,” Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz.
Nadler said Berke had been designated to ask questions under the rule that the House adopted for the impeachment inquiry.
“It is not a point of order,” Nadler said.
Republican counsel says impeachment effort is ‘riddled’ with speculation
Stephen Castor, a staff counsel presenting the Republican version of the inquiry from the Intelligence Committee, said the evidence didn’t support allegations that Democrats made.
“The impeachment inquiry’s record is riddled with hearsay, presumptions and speculation,” Castor said.
The spotlight focused on a July 25 call when Trump urged Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate his political rival, former Vice President Joe Biden.
Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., has suggested that the July 25 call sounded like a criminal shakedown because Trump said he would provide Javelin anti-tank weapons, but also asked for a favor of an investigation.
But Castor said the call summary reflected no pressure or conditions attached to Trump’s request that Zelensky investigate Biden.
“Simply put, the call was not the sinister mob shakedown that some Democrats have described,” Castor said.
House Democrat Counsel Goldman alleges Trump ‘directed’ campaign to coerce Ukraine
Intelligence Committee Counsel Daniel Goldman presented the results of House Democrats’ 300-page report on President Donald Trump’s actions in Ukraine.
“We are here today because Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of the United States, abused the power of his office—the American presidency—for his personal political benefit,” Goldman said.
He said the Democratic report had four key findings:
- Trump “directed” a campaign to “coerce and secure political assistance and interference in our domestic political affairs” from Ukraine helpful to his own re-election efforts.
- Trump withheld aid and a White House meeting from Ukraine to “increase the pressure on Ukraine to announce the politically-motivated investigations that President Trump wanted.”
- Trump “sought to undermine our free and fair elections” by soliciting foreign help.
- Once the pressure campaign was discovered, Trump and the White House obstructed Congress’ investigation.
‘That is not a point of order’
Another partisan clash Monday involved the evidence that the House Intelligence Committee gathered in the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump and provided to the Judiciary Committee.
Rep. Guy Reschenthaler, R-Pa., said lawmakers were provided 8,000 pages of documents less than 48 hours before the hearing. “How are we supposed to process 8,000 pages of documents” in that time? he asked.
But Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., dismissed the question.
“That is not a point of order,” Nadler said, gaveling Reschenthaler to silence. “The gentleman will suspend and not make a speech.”
Castor: Impeachment is ‘baloney’
Delivering a rebuttal for Republicans, Counsel for House Republicans Steve Castor argued Trump did not abuse his powers or obstruct Congress.
Democrats are trying to impeach Trump simply because they don’t like him, Castor said, attacking an “unfair process.”
“To impeach a President, who 63 million people voted for, over eight lines in a call transcript is baloney,” he said. The evidence Democrats have presented as a case for impeachment, however, extends beyond the rough transcript of Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Berke: ‘Trump did what a president of our nation is not allowed to do’
Counsel for House Democrats Barry Berke laid out the case Democrats will present against President Donald Trump today.
“This is a big deal. President Trump did what a president of our nation is not allowed to do,” he said.
Berke argued Trump abused his power “in the ways the founders feared the most” by putting his own interests over the country’s, betrayed the nation by hurting national security interests, and corrupted American elections.
Berke added that evidence of Trump’s misconduct was were “so brazen, so clear,” that was “hard to imagine that anybody could dispute those acts, let alone argue that that conduct does not constitute an impeachable offense or offenses.”
Rep. Johnson wants lawyer’s comments about Trump ‘stricken from the record’
Another partisan dispute erupted over Democratic counsel Barry Berke’s 30-minute recitation about President Donald Trump’s alleged wrongdoing in the impeachment inquiry.
Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., said that Berke used language that criticized the president’s conduct and should be stricken from the record.
“The witness used language which impugns the motives of the president and suggests he’s disloyal to his country,” Johnson said. “Those words should be stricken from the record and taken down.”
Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said the rules of decorum apply to the House members rather than witnesses.
“The subject of the hearing is the president’s misconduct, so none of us should find it surprising that we are hearing testimony that is critical of the president,” Nadler said.
Nadler found that Berke’s comments weren’t disorderly, but Johnson insisted that they were out of bounds. Johnson appealed Nadler’s ruling to dismiss his objection, which the committee tabled on a party-line vote of 24 to 15.
Republicans make move for GOP-led hearing during shouting match
Republicans pressed their request for a hearing where they choose the witnesses, which led to a shouting match between Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler and several members of the committee as he refused to recognize them.
Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., had requested GOP hearing because his colleagues were upset that Democrats held a hearing Wednesday with academic experts on impeachment with three Democratic witnesses and one Republican. House rules allow for minority members of a committee “the right to hold a minority day of hearings on topics considered by the committee.”
Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., raised a point of order to schedule a hearing. But Nadler said the request wasn’t timely until the committee meets to consider articles of impeachment.
“That is not a proper point of order at today’s hearing,” Nadler said.
Biggs raised the point of order again after the top Republican, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, completed his opening statement. He asked to schedule the GOP hearing at a reasonable time.
“I inquire and insist Mr. Chairman that you immediately schedule a minority hearing day,” Biggs said.
But Nadler said it wasn’t a proper point of order.
“We’ve already gone over that,” Nadler said.
Sensenbrenner tried to appeal the ruling of the chairman, to force a vote on the maneuver. But Nadler said he made no ruling that required a vote.
Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., asked with a raised voice if the meeting would feature just staff members asking other staffers questions for four hours “while the members are dealt out of the whole hearing” to overturn the results of the 2016 presidential election.
Nadler gaveled him down.
“This meeting will be considered in an orderly fashion,” Nadler said. “The gentleman will not yell out. You will not attempt to disrupt the proceeding.”
Republicans remained upset.
“The steamroll continues,” Collins said.
Collin denounces ‘focus group impeachment’
Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, denounced the “focus group impeachment.”
“We don’t have a crime,” he said, also criticizing Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., for not appearing.
Republicans have attempted to call Schiff as a witness, a request so far rebuffed by Nadler.
Collins denounced the inquiry as a way to remove Trump from office without winning an election.
“This is all about a clock and a calendar because they can’t get over that Trump is President of the United States and they don’t have a candidate,” Collins said.
Nadler: Trump ‘violated’ his responsibilities, broke oath of office
Nadler opened the hearing to review the evidence in the impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump by saying Trump put his own interests before the country’s.
He reminded the audience and lawmakers that impeachment was a “solemn, serious undertaking” meant to address threats to democracy.
Walking through the evidence and testimony so far in the impeachment inquiry, Nadler observed, “the President welcomed foreign interference in our elections in 2016. He demanded it for 2020. Then he got caught.”
In doing so, Trump “violated his most basic responsibilities to the people” and broke his “oath” of office, Nadler concluded.
‘America is done with this’: Protestor briefly disrupts impeachment hearing
A brief disturbance erupted as House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler gaveled a briefing to order in the impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump.
A bearded man stood up from the back of the committee hearing room and began shouting against the inquiry.
“Jerry Nadler and his Democratic colleagues are committing treason against this country,” the man shouted, holding up his phone as if to record the incident. “America is done with this.”
Nadler, D-N.Y., kept pounding his gavel as the man shouted for about 34 seconds, as he was escorted out by Capitol police.
“We voted for Donald Trump,” the man shouted. “We are sick of the Democrat impeachment.”
Republicans have called on Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., himself to answer questions.
The focus on Schiff is because the anonymous whistleblower, who sparked the inquiry about Ukraine, asked Schiff’s staff how to file a complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community. But Schiff has said he doesn’t know who the whistleblower is and didn’t help draft the complaint.
The whistleblower filed a complaint Aug. 12 about Trump’s July 25 call urging Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.
‘Our democracy is what is at stake.’:Pelosi says House will draft impeachment articles against Trump
Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, offered a glimpse of the argument at a hearing Wednesday, when he suggested Democrats wouldn’t call the whistleblower to testify “because the whole world discovered that Adam Schiff’s staff had talked to the whistleblower, coordinated with the whistleblower.”
Schiff told reporters the House rules adopted for the inquiry called for staffers to present the report. He dismissed Republican arguments for ignoring “voluminous evidence” that Trump abused the power of his office. “In so doing, the president undermined our national security and the integrity of our elections,” Schiff said.
If the House adopts articles of impeachment against Trump, the president said in a tweet Thursday he would like to question Schiff and Biden, among others, during the Senate trial.
The Judiciary Committee briefing sets up another partisan confrontation, like the hearing on Dec. 4 with law professors defining the grounds for impeachment, where lawmakers of each party ask witnesses to confirm information that bolster their own side.
The Ukraine report
The Democratic investigation from the Foreign Affairs, Intelligence, and Oversight and Reform committees found that Trump withheld official acts such as a White House meeting and nearly $400 million in military aid in order to compel Ukraine to deliver two investigations to help his reelection campaign in 2020.
“This report chronicles a scheme by the president of the United States to coerce an ally, Ukraine, that is at war with an adversary, Russia, into doing the president’s political dirty work,” Schiff said. “We do not intend to delay when the integrity of the next election is at risk.”
But Stephanie Grisham, a White House spokeswoman, said the report was the result of “a one-sided sham process.”
“Chairman Schiff’s report reads like the ramblings of a basement blogger straining to prove something when there is evidence of nothing,” Grisham said.
Republicans from the three panels drafted their own minority report defending Trump. Trump has said he was justified in urging Ukraine to fight corruption and Republicans noted the president met with Zelensky and released the military aid without Ukraine beginning any investigations.
“The evidence presented does not prove any of these Democrat allegations, and none of the Democrats’ witnesses testified to having evidence of bribery, extortion, or any high crime or misdemeanor,” the GOP report said. “The fundamental disagreement apparent in the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry is a difference of world views and a discomfort with President Trump’s policy decisions.”
How the hearing will work
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., and Ranking Member Doug Collins, R-Ga., will give first opening statements.
Two lawyers for the Judiciary Committee, Barry Berke for the Democrats, and Stephen Castor for the Republicans, will present first, for up to one hour divided between the two.
Then, lawyers for the Intelligence Committee, Daniel Goldman for the Democrats, and Stephen Castor for the Republicans, will present for up to 90 minutes divided between the two lawyers.
Following questioning from Nadler and Collins, the Intelligence Committee lawyers will then take questions from the 41 members of the Judiciary Committee.
Goldman and Castor previously played a prominent role in both parties’ questioning during the Intelligence Committee’s public hearings with impeachment inquiry witnesses.